Football Forum | Ticket Forum | Off-Topic Forum | All

Athletico Easthamico 11:34 Sat Jul 27
Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxa6P_5ZxXU

I would rather have kept Browne than Diananga myself.

......…...……...…...…...………………………...…..

This is an article by Terry Westley

I’ve been following events at the club quite closely and particularly those involving our youngsters.

And I can’t let the moment pass without commenting on Marcus Browne’s departure to Middlesbrough.

His reported fee of around £200k is no big surprise because he has yet to make a first team appearance and there could be a lesson learned in that direction by the Irons.

Some other clubs are quite clever in giving their better young players 10 or a dozen first team outings which immediately elevates the price when they look to move them on.

Clubs want to know they can hack it at that level and will see it as a bit of a gamble when untested youngsters join the club and thus the price is lower than it should be.

I understand the manager has decisions to make at this stage and he obviously felt Marcus is not going to pay a part in his plans.

That’s fair enough given the strength he has in midfield but I believe the boy every chance of becoming a very good player indeed.

He’s a quiet boy whose approach to the game is the direct opposite…he’s a powerful player who can explode past players.

And I think he’s very likely to become an important player at Middlesbrough over the next couple of years. I hope he can settle down in the area
.
I wish the lad every success. He has come out of a very tough east end background and battled for everything he has achieved so far so.

The boy will be now have a real chance to express himself and become the player we all hoped he’d become at West Ham.

diehardhammer 11:35 Sat Jul 27
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

I trust Pellegrini's judgement 100%

so no

Takashi Miike 11:37 Sat Jul 27
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

he's not as good as Antonio or Anderson, so NO

gph 11:43 Sat Jul 27
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

My opinion of Diangana is that he has already shown that he has what it takes, but for some reason his confidence has fallen away.

Would like to see him resuming his forward progress, preferably with us, but on loan if that's what it takes.

Takashi Miike 11:45 Sat Jul 27
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

I think even Diangana may struggle for gametime this season if we have more luck with injuries, so that may have been explained to Browne and a move will give him a chance to play most weeks. Stanislas has showed you can move on and have a good career

marlonsrightsock 11:53 Sat Jul 27
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

Personally Browne should've been starting ahead of Felipe, Antonio, Yarmo, Lanzini, Fornals, Snodders etc as he's way better than any of them

Wibble

Athletico Easthamico 12:03 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

marlons

It's called having a squad. You know, in case of injuries and whatever.

Snodgrass will not be getting any better, Lanzini has 1 year left on his contract, Yarmelenko is recovering after a serious injury, Wilshire could soon be back in his wheelchair. The others could have injuries and he had more about him than Diangara.

He was worth 1 more season IMO.

gank 12:05 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

Yeah, more Browne players is just what we need.

grasshopper 12:07 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

Nope - manager is the most qualified to make the decision

tnb 12:58 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

It seems harsh perhaps but in central midfield is he going to get a chance ahead of Lanzini or Fornals, or even Wilshere who (injuries allowing) I suspect may be seen as a potential option to move back into that de facto number 10 position in extreme circumstances?

On the wing is he going to get in ahead of Anderson, Yarmalenko, Antonio, Lanzini and Fornals who equally could play there if needed, and Diangana who rightly or wrongly was presented with a chance and took it fairly well?

It's easy to say that if Lanzini (or another) moves on then it would be good to have him around but realistically even if that happens in a year and Browne still hasn't had any chances then we are basically in the same position where we don't really know if he is the solution or not.

Another year on loan may well have been a sensible way of addressing that but if that has been put to him and he decided he would rather take the option of a permanent move to somewhere that has presumably given him assurances of a better shot at first team football then I can see the sense in him taking it.

The same is probably true of Holland, and Samuelsen and Haksabanovic if they are even under consideration anymore as opposed to simply waiting to be moved on permanently.

Chances in the first team at the top level are now incredibly hard to come by, and players taking them when they come in such an assured fashion as Rice are few and far between. I struggle to see how much we can judge whether players are ready or not on a few appearances on the bench amid a season of u23 football or even on loan at the likes of Oxford, and you have to accept that the idea of clubs giving players 10 or so games out of principle as Westley suggests is common (which I see little evidence of) is seen as risky.

Reserve (ie u23) football in its current form is currently so uncompetitive as to be almost meaningless in assessing a player. Bilic said something similar I recall about how you need to see a player play a good number of real games before you can properly judge them.

I'm actually an advocate of moving youngsters on if there isn't a clear progression for them, albeit that is often a bit of a lottery where certain players get a chance due to injuries and so luck plays a part, because otherwise stockpiling players with 'potential' is often no good for them or for the players coming up behind them who find their path blocked. Just look at the days when the likes of Jordan Spence hung around until about 23 or 24 because they looked decent 5 or so years before.

Stanislas, Britton before him (which shows the rarity) have shown as others have said that sometimes players can come back to the top and seemingly prove clubs wrong. I hope Browne is one of them and wish him all the best, but realistically if he wasn't going to get a chance then whose interests would it have served to keep him around?

It's a harsh system these days, but it is what is is.

AKA ERNIE 1:09 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

back pellers

the coming of gary 1:16 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

was in the same Senrab team as Jodi Jones
.

andyd12345 1:24 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

Hopefully we let him go for peanuts so we could include a very low buy back option of a few million quid. If that’s the case then it’s a very smart move. If he turns out shit then we’ve got a few quid banked, if he turns out decent then we can buy him back for about the same money we would have paid him in wages over the period.

Hermit Road 1:25 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

I don’t think Diangana has it so using the logic above, that other clubs are smart in giving a youngster a few games before moving him on to elevate his price, I’d have kept Browne and shifted Diangana.

Hermit Road 1:28 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

Also, for those saying trust Pellegtrini, that’s only true to an extent. It’s in his interests to make sure our first team is as good as possible, it isn’t necessarily in his interests to make sure the long term development of youth players is as good as possible because his focus is on the present, not a future that he is unlikely to be around for.

paulon 1:53 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

Elliott LEE

Pagey 2:06 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

I’d have thought that a more sensible decision would have been to send him on loan. That way we see how he gets on in the Championship and have the option to keep him if he showed any promise. Or probably get a lot more money if he had a decent enough season at that level.

I reckon there was more to it for us to be happy to sell him for only £200,000.

Alfs 2:16 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

Can I ask how many of the people here saying that we shouldn't have got rid of Browne have seen him play regularly?

His wages would have been no more than 2 or 3 grand a week so it would be of no skin of West Ham's financial noses to have kept him.

Maybe he wanted to go as he could see no opportunities in first-team football with us.

Pelle and his team know him in and out so I'm happy to trust their decisions.

diehardhammer 2:33 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

Remember Toni Martinez was dynamite for the under 23's and TM had a roughly similar goal/assists per game ratio as Browne when playing for oxford in league 1 (i know they play different positions, just an example)

TM: 5 G/A in 17
MB: 14 G/A in 44

when TM went to ligue 2 of spain he struggled again, MB may well do the same when he plays in the championship (higher level) we dont know for certain.

MP and his staff see the players every day in training and they do give chances to those who they think will or could make it at the premier league level I.e rice and diangana

Just hope the club have included a sell on clause just in case MB does make it for boro or higher. Still think the fee is quite poor at 300k though.

White Pony 2:46 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

Could say.the same about countless youth players in the past who looked like they could make it.

Alfs 2:59 Sun Jul 28
Re: Should Marcus Browne have been given more of a chance at West Ham?

diehardhammer 2:33 Sun Jul 28

A mate of mine was briefly a pro footballer until a career-ending injury with Oxford and regularly attends. I've asked him about TM and he felt that he was okay but nothing great. Championship at a push.

Over the years, how many have we let go and have gone on to be top players?

Page 1 - Next